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Tubas & Cimbassos in Stock

Updated August 8, 2008

BBb Tubas - CC Tubas - Eb Tubas - F Tubas - Cimbassi

 

BBb Tubas
BY SPECIAL ORDER

Alexander 164

Custom built Alexander "Kaiser" model 164 BBb tuba was made for one of our clients. This is a BIG tuba. The horn is so cool we had to put some photos up for all to enjoy!  By special order, custom built in 4-6 months.

              

$16000
NEW

Josef Lidl 701

This 3/4 size four rotary valve BBb tuba is compact but has excellent projection and a very full sound for its size.  Includes compact hard case.  Made in the Czech Republic, this is an excellent first tuba for the student who prefers the ergonomics of a medium size horn, or for the jobbing player needing a smaller BBb tuba for pit orchestra, chamber music, or stand-up work  This is a great little tuba, excellent low range, beautiful tone, good pitch, big sound for a small horn, very light and resonant.  Includes hard case.  It's a great buy for a compact tuba.

 

We have one that had some minor red rot on one of the small bows.  Robb Stewart made an artful patch for it.  Slightly used by the first client while he waited for a replacement.  "A" condition.  We'll also give you the replacement bow in case there is ever a future problem.

             

Special

$3600

BY SPECIAL ORDER

Meinl Weston HoJo

Howard Johnson is an incredible jazz tuba player based out of New York,  He's been working with Meinl Weston to develop a new BBb tuba that's as nimble and fun to play jazz on as are the smaller Eb and F tubas.  They've done it.  This BBb tuba is the most nimble model I've ever played, and is the only BBb tuba that I'd heartily recommend for a bass trombone player who wants to double and doesn't want to play CC, Eb, or F.  It's a four front piston design, in a smaller bore, but with a decently large body and bell, and it has a big mellow sound. 

The pitch is great, the tone is beautiful, and dynamic range is easy to control.  It's just a bit easier to get around on it than on a Miraphone 282 BBb tuba.  The only drawback is that due to the smaller bore, the low range peters out a bit for me.  As I get down to low D or so, it's hard to really crank out the loud notes as well as I can on the 282 or some larger tubas.  But who has to play that low anyway? There is indeed enough slide pull to get a low C, and if someone wanted to play The Lion King (which has several low C's), I'd say, work on it, and lean into the microphone.  Sold without case.  Meinl Weston also makes a top action version of this horn. We find the front action version like this to be more popular, and I find the ergonomics are excellent. .669" bore, 17.3" bell, small 4/4 size.

Norm Pearson of the LA Philharmonic really likes this tuba.  He says it plays like a small version of the big MW Baer CC he uses.

We have Glenn Cronkhite cases in stock for this tuba.  This tuba usually available in 1-2 weeks.

             

$5600
NEW

Miraphone 282

This is a new model from Miraphone.  It's a larger 3/4 size BBb tuba, which we might even refer to as a 7/8 tuba, since it has such a big sound for a compact horn.  This is a much more nimble instrument than the larger 186, and still has a broad sound and a very decent low range.  It has four rotary valves, a short nickel leadpipe with conical bore through the valves, a brass body with nickel trim, adjustable thumb ring, and a nickel bell kranz.  It features lyre and carrying strap attachments.  The first and third valve slides are easily accessible at the top of the tuba, and the third valve slide has a very long pull, so you can pull it out and get a very in tune low C with all four valves down.  That's a nice feature, because, although rarely written, the low C does appear on occasion, and to play it in tune with four valves saves the weight and expense of adding a fifth valve - not a trivial matter.  Specs:  This tuba has a medium size 16.5” (420 mm) bell, with quite a different flare from the traditional Miraphone designs.  This one reminds me more of a British style Eb bell, with a larger flare, and the smart design shows with the big tone you can get from this horn.  The valve section is a conical bore, from .772-.803” (19.6-20.4 mm).  That means the fourth valve tubing is the largest of the valves, and that makes sense since you usually add the fourth valve for only the lowest notes, and this give a faster response and an open feel.  This tuba is a joy to play.  It doesn’t bark the way the older 184 and 185 tubas does, so you get the feel of a bigger horn with less effort and less weight.  Read: medium bodied players won’t hurt their back lugging it around.  The pitch is good, it’s nimble for technical slurring and fast playing, and the valve linkages are absolutely silent with a short throw.  One feature I also like is the bottom-facing tuning slide, which is easily emptied, and doesn’t gather moisture as do the tubas with a loop at the tuning slide (184, 186, 188).  The tuba is sold without case, but is a decent fit in an MTS 1207V, or a Cronkhite gig bag.  Includes TU15 mouthpiece.   $5400
Miraphone 186

Same as above, in lacquered brass with nickel trim, nickel leadpipe, gold brass around tuning bow, nickel kranz.  Excellent German-made professional 4/4 tuba, new completely silent rotary valve linkages.  This is the standard for a fine BBb tuba at a great price.  One left at this price.

          

$6000
Miraphone 191

This is a newer design from Miraphone.  It’s a large bell, large bore BBb tuba with a compact wrap. For that reason, it’s called either a 4/4 or a 5/4 size tuba depending on whom you ask.  So, it’s a big large bore 4/4, or a compactly wrapped 5/4.  You choose.  Besides the large bore, the 5/4 proponents look at the large bottom bow and large bell throat which makes this a decent big larger than a 4/4 186 tuba.  This 191 has four or five rotary valves, a brass body with nickel leadpipe and bell kranz, and nickel trim.  It is available in all gold brass as well.  If you prefer a broader sound and a larger feeling horn that’s still nimble, I think this is a big improvement over the 186 in slotting and tone.  It’s less brittle and more nimble than the 186, and it has the traditional fast Miraphone response but with less of a barking tone when you push the volume.  This professional quality instrument has an amazing low range.  If you have to play Prokofiev’s Romeo and Juliet, this horn would be a great choice, as the low F simply roars out of the horn.  The new valve linkages on this model are absolutely silent.  No sound, no rattle, nada, nope, very quiet.  This horn has a large 18.5” (470 mm) bell and a constant bore thorugh the valves of .835” (21.2 mm).  Includes attachments for lyre and carrying strap, and includes TU33 mouthpiece.  Case is not included, but it can be carried in an MTS 1207V case or a Cronkhite gig bag.  Two left at this price.

In stock in yellow brass with four valves.  Available in any combination of yellow or gold brass with 4 or 5 valves, ask for a quote.

 

$6500
NEW

Miraphone 1291

New large 4/4 four front piston, lacquer. Great new design from Miraphone. This tuba is one of the best BBb tubas we've played.  Mellower, wider sound than the rotary 191, less pointed tone on the attacks, great pitch, a very worthy instrument for the working player who prefers BBb to CC tuba.  $7100
Yamaha YBB-641

Large 4/4 four rotary valve BBb tuba, similar to Miraphone 186.  Includes hard case with wheels.  Laquered brass with nickel trim and gold brass leadpipe.  We have a special on a new, demo model, mint condition, not factory fresh $6000

CC Tubas

NEW

Miraphone 1291

Miraphone 5/4 piston CC, 5 valves, in rare silver plate finish, with Gard gig bag.  Some bell dents removed, shows scarring, minor scratches on backside, from player's buttons or belt, a few very minor dings elsewhere, should not effect playing, no dents in bottom bow.  A new one of these at the 2008 prices would be $8500 + case.  Steal this lightly used model from us at a great price.  

Used A-

$7300

Alexander 163

Professional 5/4 rotary CC tuba custom made in Mainz, Germany.  .808" bore, five rotary valves, yellow brass with a gold brass bell. The bell is made the old fashioned way, a large hand-hammered piece of brass finished with a triangle seam (see photos). This method of production requires a lot of skill and is considered a superior way to build a bell flare.  It doesn't get much classier than an Alexander tuba. Older Alex's have had a questionable reputation for good intonation, however this one is most excellent. The sound of this horn is a classic orchestral tuba sound. The rotors are fast and smooth. The response is almost immediate and the tone is pure and rich with a powerful sonic quality.  Check out the amazing details and hand engraving in the following pics.  Most players who stop by the shop find this to be their favorite large CC tuba. 

                

$13000
Gronitz PCM

4/4 four piston, one rotary valve tuba, silver plate or lacquer. Recently becoming one of the most sought after model tubas. Well rounded and able to be used in most situations, orchestral or chamber. All handmade in Hamburg Germany with terrific craftsmanship. In stock in lacquer or silver plate.  One of each left at this price.  Replacements will cost about $15K each. $10500 lacquer

$11400 silver 

BY SPECIAL ORDER

Gronitz PCK

Large 6/4 five valve piston CC, Kaiser Model, similar to the Yorkbrunner, silver plate. Alan Baer won the New York Philharmonic position on this model tuba. Gronitz tubas are handmade in Hamburg, Germany in a small shop. Each valve, crook  and bend is hand fit on the horn. One of the best CC tubas you can buy.  Despite its large size, it's easy to play and is a very versatile tuba.  Shown below in silver plate, we have it available in lacquer finish. 

                     

$15000 lacquer

$16000 silver

Josef Lidl 701

This 3/4 size four rotary valve tuba is compact but has excellent projection and a very full sound for its size.  Includes compact hard case.  Made in the Czech Republic, this is an excellent first tuba for the student who prefers the ergonomics of a medium size horn, or for the jobbing player needing a smaller BBb tuba for pit orchestra, chamber music, or stand-up work  We have one BBb and one CC model on order.  CC is in stock, BBb will be available in one month.  This is a great little tuba, excellent low range, beautiful tone, good pitch, big sound for a small horn, very light and resonant.  Includes hard case.  This is a great buy for a compact tuba.

               

$4000

Meinl Weston 2145

Large 4/4 piston CC tuba, 5 valves, excellent condition, some minor tuba dents and dents in the bell and regular wear from use. Terrific player, good intonation, solid low register. All yellow brass with nickel trim. 4+1 valve combo. Comes with a gig bag.  Used, A- condition

$6750
SOLD

Miraphone 186

This is a classic compact 4/4 rotary valve CC tuba from Miraphone.  We often sell this to players looking for a reasonably priced professional CC tuba, which is often their first tuba purchase.  While it’s a full 4/4 size, it has a compact body and a 17.7” medium sized bell.  This is the same bell diameter as the 188, but has a smaller throat and bottom bow.  This provides a more clear, centered tone, a better defined sound at lower volumes, and makes this a versatile tuba for smaller as well as larger ensembles.  This latest incarnation of the 186 CC has a nickel leadpipe to prevent corrosion, absolutely silent valve linkages, a flat whole step tuned fifth valve, and has lyre and carrying strap attachments.  The horizontal tuning slide design, like that on the 188, can be a spit catcher, but the advantage is the ease of moving the tuning slide with your right hand, even while playing (open notes only please).  Valve bore is .772” (19.6 mm), which is the same as the 188.  Includes TU21 (C3) mouthpiece, which has a medium diameter with a deeper cup, and works well for this instrument.  It is sold without case, but will fit well in an MTS case or a Cronkhite gig bag.

We have a special on a brand new 186 5-valve CC with a tiny ding on the nickel bottom bow guard.  It's minor, and if you're an active player, it's not the last one.  Buy this tuba at a great price of $6950.  Future shipments will all be at the new price of $7300.  Sorry about that.  Inflation plus low US dollar equals pricey German tubas.

 

 

SPECIAL

$6950

NEW

Miraphone 188

This is a classic design large rotary CC tuba from Miraphone.   This model has been popular for professional orchestra players for many years.  The great Tommy Johnson often used a 188, as do some of his colleagues.  The 188 is made of yellow brass with nickel trim, nickel leadpipe, and nickel bell kranz.  Included are lyre and carrying strap attachments.  Though it uses any of the parts from the similar 186, this horn has larger bows and bell, allowing a broader sound with less barking, a broader dynamic range, and a more open low range.  Also, the pitch is better, with an in-tune open E and first valve D.  We always offer this instrument with five valves in the right hand, to satisfy the orchestral player who needs ease in playing the very low range.  New fifth valves in Miraphone tubas are tuned to the industry standard flat whole step.   This particular tuba, about which I write, has a new linkage on the fifth valve, custom made for us, to shorten the throw.  All the valve linkages are totally silent.  No noise.  The nickel leadpipe is a new feature on this horn.  Earlier versions with the brass pipe were vulnerable to corrosion, because storing the tuba on its bell would allow water to pool in the lead pipe and corrode it.  The nickel pipe should have no such trouble.  While piston CC tubas seem to get all the airplay lately, we still sell quite a few rotary models, and this 188 is a best seller.  Compared to other German models, the price is reasonable, it still has a following in the professional world, and there is a liveliness of tone and projection due to the rotary setup that is hard to find elsewhere.  For a larger rotary CC, it has a compact body for easy transport, and a very nimble feel.  If you have to do everything on one horn, this is a contender.  This tuba has a medium 17.7” (450 mm) bell flare with kranz, and a medium-large .772” (19.6 mm) straight bore through the rotors.  It includes a TU23 (C4) mouthpiece, which has a wider diameter cup with a medium depth bowl for a fast response on this larger horn.  It is sold without case, but will fit well in an MTS case or a Cronkhite gig bag.  The 188 is also available in all gold brass, which gives an increased dynamic range, and a warmer, broader sound, with a minor decrease in projection and and less coarseness of attack.

In stock in both yellow brass and all gold brass. Gold brass is $8200.

            

$7800
COMING SEPTEMBER 2008

Miraphone 1291

Professional 5/4 four front piston, one rotary, lacquer. Terrific new model CC tuba from Miraphone. Great intonation and a beautiful sound make this a great all around CC tuba. Big mellow tone, nimble, easy slotting, big low range.

        

$8500
NEW

Miraphone 1292

Same as above 1291, but with a medium size nickel leadpipe.  Four pistons, one rotor, lacquer.  This is the Alan Baer New Yorker model.  0.772 - 0.835'' conical bore, 18.5" bell

8/1/08 Two in stock in lacquer

$8900

Eb Tubas

NEW

Miraphone 383 Star Light

This is the Oystein Baadsvick solo model.  If you haven't heard him play, do yourself a favor and look him up.  He's one of the great tuba soloists of the world.  This new medium size Eb tuba has 5 rotary valves and can do ANYTHING.  Solo on it like on a small F tuba, but with a huge low range and no bad notes. Get the high range and nimble feel of an F tuba with none of the peculiar quirks in the low range.  Lacquer with nickel trim, right hand valves. .709" bore, 14.9" bell

Special:  We have a very lightly used Star Light, in A+ condition, with two minor dents removed, with a leather Cronkhite bag, and original mouthpiece.  Snake this one for a great price.

Used A+

$7500

COMING SEPTEMBER 2008

Miraphone 283 Norwegian Star

Large 5/4 Eb tuba has 5 rotary valves and is large enough to be your single symphony and solo axe. Get the high range and nimble feel of an F tuba with none of the peculiar quirks in the low range.  Lacquer with nickel trim, right hand valves, sold without case.  This looks like a much smaller tuba than the York, below, but it has almost as broad a sound. .772"-.835" bore, 15.75" bell.  Bill Roper, a Miraphone artist, has ordered one, and is awaiting the next shipment.  Expected around September 1.

         

$7800

BY SPECIAL ORDER

York 3082

Beautiful German-made Eb tuba, 3+1 compensating piston model, silver plate, with hard case.  Made by Schreiber in Marchneukirchen, who used to make this tuba for Besson.  New tooling is tuned up, so think of it as a super Besson 982 type tuba.  This is a pretty big Eb, useful for brass bands, doubling, and even orchestra work.  It should be an excellent all-around tuba for the player who wants to be more of a virtuoso than a BBb tuba will allow, but wants a better low range than offered by most F tubas.  .689" bore, 19" bell.  Lacquer version shown, silver plate is the same price.  Includes hard case and Denis Wick mouthpiece. $6447 silver plate

F Tubas

Gronitz PF125

One of the great F tubas of the world.  This is a large 4 piston, 1 rotary F tuba made in Hamburg Germany in a small custom shop. While being very similar in size to the Yamaha 822 Self model, this Gronitz has a liveliness and character of sound that puts ahead of the Yamaha for many players.  The fifth rotor is available in several tunings, but we offer the most popular flat whole step.  In lacquer or silver plate. 19-20-21mm conical bore, 16.5" bell $11495 silver plate
REDUCED

Meinl Weston 45

 

We have one used Meinl Weston F tuba in stock, which is a professional full-size German rotary valve tuba, picked out by Warren Deck for one of his students.  Five rotary valves, all right hand, all lacquered brass with nickel trim, gold brass leadpipe, and gold brass bell.  Bell has nickel kranz.  Excellent condition, near mint, nice mechanical action, with completely silent mini-ball linkages.  Nice playing horn, very nimble with a warm sound, good pitch, low C feels un-centered but it sounds very good, which is typical for German rotary F tubas.  You can get used to it.  Includes gig bag.  .728"-.768" conical bore, 16.5" bell.  Includes MW road case.

$6500 used
COMING SEPTEMBER 2008

Miraphone 281 Firebird

This is the new hot 4/4 rotary F tuba, and stands out from the crowd as one of the very few rotary F tubas with a centered low C and an even all-around low range.  Available in yellow or gold brass, with 5-6 valves in several configurations.  This is a more compact sounding instrument than the 181, but with a more centered low range.  .772"-.835" conical bore, 15.75" bell  Shown at left in gold brass with 5 valves. $8200-8800
Yamaha YFB-821 Roger Bobo

This is a new custom version of the above 621 F tuba.  It has a larger bell, improved ergonomics, two included fifth valve slides, and we think some of the bows have been changed.  This is the star of the small F tuba genre, with a completely even response from top to bottom, and a low range second to none.  This was made for the great tuba soloist, Roger Bobo.  Available in lacquer or silver plate, with Yamaha gig bag.  These are built to order in the Yamaha custom shop.  Wait time can be up to six months. Fifth valve is available set up for right or left hand. .689" bore, 17.5" bell $10999 silver plate
Yamaha YFB-822 Jim Self

This is large 4 piston, 1 rotor F tuba, also made in the Yamaha custom shop.  It looks similar to the Gronitz PF125, and has a velvety smooth sound and an evenness throughout the range of the instrument that makes it easy to play.  The low range is simply spectacular for an F tuba.  When players want an F tuba do to everything, and to sub for CC tuba in smaller groups, this is often the instrument they choose.  Played by Jim Self , Doug Tornquist, and many professional players in Los Angeles.  Includes very compact hard case.  In lacquer or silver plate. .768" bore, 17.5" bell. $9339 silver plate

Cimbassi

Haag

Beautiful gold brass cimbasso with 5 Rene Hagman valves, tuning triggers, and remote water keys, handmade long leadpipe. This playable piece of artwork is custom built in Switzerland by Franz Monschau.  This is Steve's favorite F cimbasso.  It's a very nimble, easy to play instrument.  This uses the same bell as Franz' F contrabass trombone. It's truly an amazing accomplishment of brass craftsmanship. Every piece on this instrument was hand fabricated by Franz.  Lacquered. with case.  In stock.

 

 

$16000